It is Week 11 of the season and USF has yet to make the cut in the top 25 of the three major polls. The National Playoff Poll is in its second weekly publishing, but won’t be covered in this post simply because USF isn’t there, yet.
As usual, the AP Poll, discussed on USF Blog previously, will be first on the docket.
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1 Alabama 2 Michigan 3 Clemson 4 Washington 5 Louisville 6 Ohio State 7 Wisconsin 8 Auburn 9 Oklahoma 10 Texas A&M 11 West Virginia 12 Penn State 13 Utah 14 Western Michigan 15 North Carolina 16 Colorado 17 Oklahoma State 18 Virginia Tech |
19 LSU 20 Florida State 21 Nebraska 22 Florida 23 Washington State 24 Boise State 25 Baylor 26 USC 27 Arkansas 28 San Diego State 29 Troy 30 Houston 31 Tennessee 32 Tulsa 32 South Florida 34 Minnesota 34 Navy 34 Wyoming |
The American Athletic Conference continues to get shut out of this poll. USF ties Tulsa at 32nd, while Houston is 30th. Those three teams in the unofficial area of the poll, others receiving votes. The Bulls received just three vote points in this week’s poll, after receiving 10 the previous week.
The USA Coaches Poll has tracked a bit better for USF all season, but top 25 honors have alluded them. The methodology of this poll was detailed on a previous USF Blog posting.
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1 Alabama 2 Clemson 3 Michigan 4 Washington 5 Ohio State 6 Louisville 7 Wisconsin 8 Auburn 9 Oklahoma 10 West Virginia 11 Texas A&M 12 Utah 13 North Carolina 14 Penn State 15 Colorado 16 Florida 17 Oklahoma State 18 Florida State 19 LSU 20 Nebraska |
21 Western Michigan 22 Virginia Tech 23 Washington State 24 Boise State 25 Baylor 26 USC 27 San Diego State 28 Arkansas 29 Houston 30 South Florida 31 Wyoming 32 Navy 32 Tennessee 34 Tulsa 35 Troy 36 Appalachian State 37 Minnesota 37 Stanford 39 Louisiana Tech |
USF is still in the neighborhood, ranking an unofficial 30th after a bye week. Interestingly, in both the AP and USA Today poll, they dropped exactly one spot, even though they did not lose. Their vote point count dropped from 34 to 28.
The CBS 128 is the first of the computer modeled polls, explained in an earlier post on USF Blog.
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1 Alabama Crimson Tide (9-0) 2 Michigan Wolverines (9-0) 3 Clemson Tigers (9-0) 4 Washington Huskies (9-0) 5 Louisville Cardinals (8-1) 6 Ohio State Buckeyes (8-1) 7 Auburn Tigers (7-2) 8 Wisconsin Badgers (7-2) 9 Oklahoma Sooners (7-2) 10 Penn State Nittany Lions (7-2) 11 Texas A&M Aggies (7-2) 12 Western Michigan Broncos (10-0) 13 West Virginia Mountaineers (7-1) 14 Colorado Buffaloes (7-2) |
15 LSU Tigers (5-3) 16 Utah Utes (7-2) 17 Washington State Cougars (7-2) 18 Virginia Tech Hokies (7-2) 19 Florida Gators (6-2) 20 Nebraska Cornhuskers (7-2) 21 Southern California Trojans (6-3) 22 North Carolina Tar Heels (7-2) 23 Oklahoma State Cowboys (7-2) 24 Boise State Broncos (8-1) 25 Florida State Seminoles (6-3) 26 San Diego State Aztecs (8-1) 27 Houston Cougars (7-2) 28 South Florida Bulls (7-2) |
In this ranking system, the Bulls are the second highest ranked AAC team at 28th. Houston is just one spot higher, at 27. USF peaked at 22nd in this system, but dropped to 30th after the loss to Temple.
Congrove CCR 128 is one of the many factors that goes into the Massey Composite, shown below. It is a computer ranking system, explained previously on USF Blog.
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1 Alab 2 Mich 3 Wash 4 Clem 5 Ohio St 6 WMU 7 Lville 8 SD St 9 Wisc 10 Okla 11 Auburn 12 Wash St 13 WVU 14 Boise |
15 TexA&M 16 OkSt 17 UNC 18 VT 19 PSU 20 Colo 21 Utah 22 Hou 23 LSU 24 App St 25 Toledo 26 FSU 27 USF |
The Bulls are just outside the top 25 in this ranking system, at 27th. Houston is five spots higher at 22. Noteworthy in this model is that FSU, team that crushed USF early on, is just one spot better than the Bulls. This ranking is nine spots worse than their best ranking of
ESPN’s Football Power Index, explained on USF Blog, is next.
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1 Alabama, SEC 2 Michigan, Big Ten 3 Louisville, ACC 4 OSU, Big Ten 5 Clemson, ACC 6 Washington, Pac-12 7 Auburn, SEC 8 LSU, SEC 9 FSU, ACC 10 Texas A&M, SEC 11 Oklahoma, Big 12 12 USC, Pac-12 13 Colorado, Pac-12 14 Washington St, Pac-12 15 Wisconsin, Big Ten 16 UNC, ACC 17 Tennessee, SEC |
18 Ole Miss, SEC 19 Oklahoma State, Big 12 20 Penn State, Big Ten 21 West Virginia, Big 12 22 Miami, ACC 23 Florida, SEC 24 W Michigan, MAC 25 VT, ACC 26 Stanford, Pac-12 27 UCLA, Pac-12 28 TCU, Big 12 29 Baylor, Big 12 30 Boise State, MW 31 Texas, Big 12 32 BYU, FBS Indep. 33 Houston, American 34 USF, American |
As with CBS 128, the FPI ranks Houston just one spot above USF. This time, they are 33 and 34. That rank is unchanged per the prior week for USF, and eleven points lower than their season high of 23rd in Week 4.
The Massey Composite ranking combines more than 100 different ranking systems and averages the total ranks by team. The methodology is explained on USF Blog.
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1 Alab 2 Mich 3 Clem 4 Ohio St 5 Wash 6 Lville 7 Auburn 8 Wisc 9 TexA&M 10 WMU 11 PSU 12 Colo 13 Wash St 14 FSU 15 USC 16 Okla |
17 WVU 18 Boise 19 VT 20 UNC 21 LSU 22 Neb 23 UTK 24 Utah 25 Stan 26 Fla 27 OkSt 28 Ark 29 Hou 30 SD St 31 USF |
The Massey Composite bears similar results to the other ranking systems, which suggests that USF is pretty close to their correct ranking, now. Houston is the only team ranked higher, at 29. This poll was reported on this blog inaccurately, last week. It was reported that the Bulls were ranked 36th, but they were actually the same rank as they are this week, 31. Massey includes the Massey ranking system in their composite rankings and the Massey rank was reported instead of the composite ranking. This has been fixed going forward. The Bulls peaked at 27th in the composite during Weeks 7 and 8.
The final system being reviewed in this series is Sagarin. The methodology for this ranking system can be found on an earlier USF Blog posting.
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1 Alab 2 Mich 3 Ohio St 4 Clem 5 Wash 6 Lville 7 Auburn 8 LSU 9 Wisc 10 TexA&M 11 Okla 12 Colo 13 Wash St 14 USC 15 FSU 16 VT 17 PSU 18 Stan 19 WMU 20 OlMi |
21 WVU 22 UTK 23 Fla 24 Mia FL 25 UNC 26 OkSt 27 TCU 28 Utah 29 Neb 30 Hou 31 Boise 32 Ark 33 Baylor 34 UCLA 35 BYU 36 Texas 37 SD St 39 Iowa 39 UCLA 40 USF |
Sagarin’s methodology does not like the AAC or USF, ranking Houston highest at 30th and the Bulls next at 40th. This system has consistently been the lowest ranking for USF for all systems that rank more than 25 teams. The AP is the only ranking system that has been lower, and that is because only 25 teams are ranked officially and less than 40 typically get votes.
When conceptualized, this series was not intended to be a season long analysis of ranking systems. It was believed that a USF team with one or two losses would probably be ranked at some point during the season. Once they were ranked, the focus would simply be on where they are ranked on a weekly basis throughout the season in the major polls. Back in the Big East days, a USF team at 7-2 was very likely to be ranked in the top 25. The struggle they have had to get that kind of national recognition points, in some respects, to how unimpressed the media is with the American Athletic Conference. It’s not hard to understand, because the conference still has no standard bearer. Houston looked like they might be up for the job, but their season turned. USF cannot fill that role as long as they are losing in such convincing fashion, when they lose.
It is Week 11 of the season and USF has yet to make the cut in the top 25 of the three major polls. The National Playoff Poll is in its second weekly publishing, but won’t be covered in this post simply because USF isn’t there, yet.
As usual, the AP Poll, discussed on USF Blog previously, will be first on the docket.
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1 Alabama 2 Michigan 3 Clemson 4 Washington 5 Louisville 6 Ohio State 7 Wisconsin 8 Auburn 9 Oklahoma 10 Texas A&M 11 West Virginia 12 Penn State 13 Utah 14 Western Michigan 15 North Carolina 16 Colorado 17 Oklahoma State 18 Virginia Tech |
19 LSU 20 Florida State 21 Nebraska 22 Florida 23 Washington State 24 Boise State 25 Baylor 26 USC 27 Arkansas 28 San Diego State 29 Troy 30 Houston 31 Tennessee 32 Tulsa 32 South Florida 34 Minnesota 34 Navy 34 Wyoming |
The American Athletic Conference continues to get shut out of this poll. USF ties Tulsa at 32nd, while Houston is 30th. Those three teams in the unofficial area of the poll, others receiving votes. The Bulls received just three vote points in this week’s poll, after receiving 10 the previous week.
The USA Coaches Poll has tracked a bit better for USF all season, but top 25 honors have alluded them. The methodology of this poll was detailed on a previous USF Blog posting.
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1 Alabama 2 Clemson 3 Michigan 4 Washington 5 Ohio State 6 Louisville 7 Wisconsin 8 Auburn 9 Oklahoma 10 West Virginia 11 Texas A&M 12 Utah 13 North Carolina 14 Penn State 15 Colorado 16 Florida 17 Oklahoma State 18 Florida State 19 LSU 20 Nebraska |
21 Western Michigan 22 Virginia Tech 23 Washington State 24 Boise State 25 Baylor 26 USC 27 San Diego State 28 Arkansas 29 Houston 30 South Florida 31 Wyoming 32 Navy 32 Tennessee 34 Tulsa 35 Troy 36 Appalachian State 37 Minnesota 37 Stanford 39 Louisiana Tech |
USF is still in the neighborhood, ranking an unofficial 30th after a bye week. Interestingly, in both the AP and USA Today poll, they dropped exactly one spot, even though they did not lose. Their vote point count dropped from 34 to 28.
The CBS 128 is the first of the computer modeled polls, explained in an earlier post on USF Blog.
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1 Alabama Crimson Tide (9-0) 2 Michigan Wolverines (9-0) 3 Clemson Tigers (9-0) 4 Washington Huskies (9-0) 5 Louisville Cardinals (8-1) 6 Ohio State Buckeyes (8-1) 7 Auburn Tigers (7-2) 8 Wisconsin Badgers (7-2) 9 Oklahoma Sooners (7-2) 10 Penn State Nittany Lions (7-2) 11 Texas A&M Aggies (7-2) 12 Western Michigan Broncos (10-0) 13 West Virginia Mountaineers (7-1) 14 Colorado Buffaloes (7-2) |
15 LSU Tigers (5-3) 16 Utah Utes (7-2) 17 Washington State Cougars (7-2) 18 Virginia Tech Hokies (7-2) 19 Florida Gators (6-2) 20 Nebraska Cornhuskers (7-2) 21 Southern California Trojans (6-3) 22 North Carolina Tar Heels (7-2) 23 Oklahoma State Cowboys (7-2) 24 Boise State Broncos (8-1) 25 Florida State Seminoles (6-3) 26 San Diego State Aztecs (8-1) 27 Houston Cougars (7-2) 28 South Florida Bulls (7-2) |
In this ranking system, the Bulls are the second highest ranked AAC team at 28th. Houston is just one spot higher, at 27. USF peaked at 22nd in this system, but dropped to 30th after the loss to Temple.
Congrove CCR 128 is one of the many factors that goes into the Massey Composite, shown below. It is a computer ranking system, explained previously on USF Blog.
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1 Alab 2 Mich 3 Wash 4 Clem 5 Ohio St 6 WMU 7 Lville 8 SD St 9 Wisc 10 Okla 11 Auburn 12 Wash St 13 WVU 14 Boise |
15 TexA&M 16 OkSt 17 UNC 18 VT 19 PSU 20 Colo 21 Utah 22 Hou 23 LSU 24 App St 25 Toledo 26 FSU 27 USF |
The Bulls are just outside the top 25 in this ranking system, at 27th. Houston is five spots higher at 22. Noteworthy in this model is that FSU, team that crushed USF early on, is just one spot better than the Bulls. This ranking is nine spots worse than their best ranking of
ESPN’s Football Power Index, explained on USF Blog, is next.
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1 Alabama, SEC 2 Michigan, Big Ten 3 Louisville, ACC 4 OSU, Big Ten 5 Clemson, ACC 6 Washington, Pac-12 7 Auburn, SEC 8 LSU, SEC 9 FSU, ACC 10 Texas A&M, SEC 11 Oklahoma, Big 12 12 USC, Pac-12 13 Colorado, Pac-12 14 Washington St, Pac-12 15 Wisconsin, Big Ten 16 UNC, ACC 17 Tennessee, SEC |
18 Ole Miss, SEC 19 Oklahoma State, Big 12 20 Penn State, Big Ten 21 West Virginia, Big 12 22 Miami, ACC 23 Florida, SEC 24 W Michigan, MAC 25 VT, ACC 26 Stanford, Pac-12 27 UCLA, Pac-12 28 TCU, Big 12 29 Baylor, Big 12 30 Boise State, MW 31 Texas, Big 12 32 BYU, FBS Indep. 33 Houston, American 34 USF, American |
As with CBS 128, the FPI ranks Houston just one spot above USF. This time, they are 33 and 34. That rank is unchanged per the prior week for USF, and eleven points lower than their season high of 23rd in Week 4.
The Massey Composite ranking combines more than 100 different ranking systems and averages the total ranks by team. The methodology is explained on USF Blog.
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1 Alab 2 Mich 3 Clem 4 Ohio St 5 Wash 6 Lville 7 Auburn 8 Wisc 9 TexA&M 10 WMU 11 PSU 12 Colo 13 Wash St 14 FSU 15 USC 16 Okla |
17 WVU 18 Boise 19 VT 20 UNC 21 LSU 22 Neb 23 UTK 24 Utah 25 Stan 26 Fla 27 OkSt 28 Ark 29 Hou 30 SD St 31 USF |
The Massey Composite bears similar results to the other ranking systems, which suggests that USF is pretty close to their correct ranking, now. Houston is the only team ranked higher, at 29. This poll was reported on this blog inaccurately, last week. It was reported that the Bulls were ranked 36th, but they were actually the same rank as they are this week, 31. Massey includes the Massey ranking system in their composite rankings and the Massey rank was reported instead of the composite ranking. This has been fixed going forward. The Bulls peaked at 27th in the composite during Weeks 7 and 8.
The final system being reviewed in this series is Sagarin. The methodology for this ranking system can be found on an earlier USF Blog posting.
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1 Alab 2 Mich 3 Ohio St 4 Clem 5 Wash 6 Lville 7 Auburn 8 LSU 9 Wisc 10 TexA&M 11 Okla 12 Colo 13 Wash St 14 USC 15 FSU 16 VT 17 PSU 18 Stan 19 WMU 20 OlMi |
21 WVU 22 UTK 23 Fla 24 Mia FL 25 UNC 26 OkSt 27 TCU 28 Utah 29 Neb 30 Hou 31 Boise 32 Ark 33 Baylor 34 UCLA 35 BYU 36 Texas 37 SD St 39 Iowa 39 UCLA 40 USF |
Sagarin’s methodology does not like the AAC or USF, ranking Houston highest at 30th and the Bulls next at 40th. This system has consistently been the lowest ranking for USF for all systems that rank more than 25 teams. The AP is the only ranking system that has been lower, and that is because only 25 teams are ranked officially and less than 40 typically get votes.
When conceptualized, this series was not intended to be a season long analysis of ranking systems. It was believed that a USF team with one or two losses would probably be ranked at some point during the season. Once they were ranked, the focus would simply be on where they are ranked on a weekly basis throughout the season in the major polls. Back in the Big East days, a USF team at 7-2 was very likely to be ranked in the top 25. The struggle they have had to get that kind of national recognition points, in some respects, to how unimpressed the media is with the American Athletic Conference. It’s not hard to understand, because the conference still has no standard bearer. Houston looked like they might be up for the job, but their season turned. USF cannot fill that role as long as they are losing in such convincing fashion, when they lose.
